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Racist Campaign?

by amiches, Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 05:22:01 PM EST

I recently received a warning from an administrator here, based on my characterization of the Clinton campaign as "racist". It's undeniable that many anecdotal examples of the campaign's racism exist (skin darkening in advertisements, the word "NIG" spelled out in the 3am ad, Jesse Jackson comparisons in South Carolina, the "native dress" picture, the planted madrassa story, multiple others). We can argue about whether those examples were intentionally racist, but it's not an unreasonable conclusion to draw from the actions of the Hillary campaign.

At the very minimum, for every example of the Obama campaign's supposed "sexism" (a charge which gets bandied about here quite liberally, and with no recourse from the moderators) there exists an example of Clinton racism.

Why is the subject of Clinton racism verboten at MyDD, but Obama's "sexism" is fair game?

Tags: hillary clinton, barack obama, race (all tags)

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Re: Racist Campaign? (2.00 / 2)

Riiiiight....

by Dave B on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 05:25:22 PM EST

Re: Racist Campaign? (2.00 / 7)

*snorts*

Anyone who uses the ridiculous "NIG argument" as evidence of racism doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Sorry.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 05:28:53 PM EST

Re: Racist Campaign? (1.00 / 2)

You could say that I'm throwing "the kitchen sink" at Hillary. Fact is, you can only have so many "coincidences" before it turns out that they're not coincidences at all. NIG is one of many, and I'm not sure why this is a forbidden subject here.

by amiches on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 05:31:04 PM EST
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The NIG bullsh*t is not forbidden. It's just plain stupid. But talk about it all you want. Hope you enjoy wasting your time.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 05:39:26 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (2.00 / 1)

NOT true. When you believe in little green people from space and UFO's you can have so many "coincidences" and it turns out to be nothing. By the way the earth is flat and the sun revolves around the earth.

david

by giusd on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 10:28:59 PM EST
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Sorry, but these "coincidences" undeniably happened, unlike your cute example of aliens and UFO's.

by amiches on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 06:34:57 AM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (2.00 / 9)

There has not been anything in the course of this campaign that has turned me off from the Obama campaign and its supporters nearly as much as the accusations of racism.

I understand that you sincerely believe all of these things, but I don't think you understand how many Democrats feel the same way I do. You are very fortunate that the media hasn't made a bigger issue out of Obama's South Carolina memo.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 05:33:16 PM EST

Re: Racist Campaign? (1.25 / 4)

First time, it's a coincidence. Second time, it's a misunderstanding. The the third time, it's a mistake. After that, you have some explaining to do.

Disagree with me on whether my examples (and many, many more abound) are part of an overall strategy to remind people not to vote for the black guy, but you can't deny that there have at least been as many examples of Clinton racism as there have been of Obama "sexism", and that if the latter is fair game here, the former should be too.

by amiches on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 05:39:33 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (2.00 / 5)

I do not believe that accusations of racism become more plausible the more they pile up. My experience has been just the opposite.

Not only do I disagree with your ludicrous suggestion that there is a "strategy to remind people not to vote for the black guy," as if racists somehow need a reminder that there's a black candidate, but I am telling you that these sorts of accusations are divisive beyond belief. Do you really think expect Democrats to be enthusiastic about voting for Obama if they feel he won the nomination by falsely accusing their candidate of racism?

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:00:02 PM EST
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You know damn well that it doesn't work like that. People generally aren't overt racists anymore - racism needs to be cued in order to be exploitive. Like my mother, who doesn't have an explicit racist bone in her body, but will lock the car doors if she's at a stop sign and a black or Latino guy is on the adjacent sidewalk.

This is consistent with how the racism of her campaign has played out, from the nonverbal cues in the ads to the photo smear to the comparison to Jesse Jackson, a figure that a good chunk of white people hold in contempt.

by amiches on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:10:07 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (2.00 / 2)

Uh, no, I don't know any such thing. The world where millions of Democrats forget that Obama is black until the Clinton campaign subtly reminds them is not the world I live in.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:15:35 PM EST
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What examples of Obama sexism? (none / 0)

I don't think the Clinton's are racist but I do believe they will do anything to win which includes playing the race card.

Listening comes first

by Moonwood on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:03:27 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (2.00 / 3)

Yeah, except that most of them don't really believe it, Steve. They're just looking for ways to vilify Hillary. One more reason to hate her. And you know what the best part is? It puts Clinton supporters in a tricky position -- if we try to defend Hillary too much, they can brand us as racists, too. Sucks for us.

Some of them honestly believe it, though. They've completely given themselves over to this delusional theory that the Clintons hate African Americans. Sad, in a way, to be so disconnected from reality. Seems to be working for them, though.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 05:47:07 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (1.00 / 1)

I don't think the Clintons hate black people. I do think they're exploiting the racist vote to win elections, however. Again, there have been multiple examples of this occurring, and usually when the chips are down for Hillary. In the interest of vetting our candidates for the general election, I think this needs to be inspected closer. Because we're all for vetting, right?

Very coincidental.

by amiches on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 05:50:18 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (none / 0)

What is this NIG thing? And the South Carolina memo? I feel so out of the loop! :P

by JustJennifer on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 05:50:37 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (2.00 / 2)

Apparently, someone dropped the brown acid into Ann Althouse's Kool-Aid. The letters "NIG" (from the word "night") on a pajama shirt obviously indicate that Hillary's campaign is trying to remind people that Barack Obama is, in fact, a black person. In other words, "NIG" is the dumbest racist conspiracy theory ever. But let's call it NIG-Gate, just for fun.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:01:09 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (2.00 / 1)

Is Ann out of therapy and back to making SERIOUS POLITICAL analysis. What is up with her analysis of HRC cleavage. She seems really into that.

david

by giusd on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 10:32:42 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (2.00 / 3)

Prior to the South Carolina primary, right around the time Obama's campaign co-chair Jesse Jackson Jr. was declaring on national TV that "Hillary didn't cry over Katrina," Obama's South Carolina press secretary prepared a detailed memo cataloguing a number of supposedly racial statements from the Clinton campaign.

At the Las Vegas debate in mid-January, after Obama had tried to play the nice guy by saying "Hillary has always been committed to racial equality," the moderator confronted Obama with the fact that his press secretary had prepared this memo about the Clintons. Obama responded:

Q: In hindsight, do you regret pushing this story?

OBAMA: Well, not only in hindsight, but going forward. I think that, as Hillary said, our supporters, our staff get overzealous. They start saying things that I would not say. And it is my responsibility to make sure that we're setting a clear tone in our campaign, and I take that responsibility very seriously, which is why I spoke yesterday and sent a message in case people were not clear that what we want to do is make sure that we focus on the issues.

Two days after Obama took responsibility for the tone of his campaign and pledged to stay focused on the issues, one of his union supporters began running an ad on Spanish-language radio in Nevada declaring, "Hillary Clinton does not respect our people." Offered a chance to condemn the ad, Obama spokesman Bill Burton refused.

I guess it's good for party unity that most Democrats don't know this stuff, but it's really hard to get over.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:12:04 PM EST
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For me, it is impossible to get over.

by hwc on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:17:39 PM EST
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Thank you for posting these examples.

These are the exact reasons why the joy I felt for Mr. Obama after Iowa quickly evaporated.

That Latino ad in Nevada was laughable and was resoundingly rejected.

I still believe that Mr. Obama and supporters have injected race time and again.

by Si Ella Puede on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:17:39 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (2.00 / 4)

I can't say I was exactly surprised, but I was heartened that the Latino community didn't let some random radio smear get in the way of their relationship with Hillary Clinton. I guess that's why you take the time to build strong bonds with the voters.

It's very disappointing to me that the accusations of racism against the Clintons have acquired any currency at all within the African-American community. There's something very unfortunate going on there.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:41:53 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (2.00 / 4)

The 'native dress' picture didn't come from her campaign...the rest is entirely silly on it's face. That's why.

by americanincanada on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 05:36:08 PM EST

Re: Racist Campaign? (1.00 / 2)

Very "coincidental" how the photo came out right when Hillary needed it to - but her campaign had nothing to do with it.

If the photo thing were isolated, I could maybe believe you. But there have been a lot of "coincidences" that have had the effect of marginalizing Obama as the black candidate. Very fortuitous for the Clinton campaign.

by amiches on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 05:42:09 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (2.00 / 1)

Really how did these photos help HRC. And why would BO attack HRC based on a post by Drudge. Fucking Drudge. When did democrats put the honestly of Drudge over HRC.

david

by giusd on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 10:36:20 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (2.00 / 3)

This racist BS is just that BS!

In SC, the Obama camp was happy to string along the press about the supposed "racism" from the Clinton campaign.

Racism, Sexism and Ageism need to STOP!

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by kevin22262 on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 05:42:49 PM EST

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Can we at least say that about 20% of Ohio voters are racist?

One-fifth of white Ohio voters said race was an important issue in their vote, and those who did voted three in four for Clinton. That compares with the one in five Democrats in Ohio who said gender was important to their vote, and they voted six in 10 for Clinton

http://www.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci _8456473

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by Its Like Herding Cats on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 05:53:07 PM EST

Re: Racist Campaign? (none / 0)

I got slightly different numbers looking at yesterday's exit polling, but it's safe to say that at least 8% of Hillary's support yesterday came from white voters who voted for Hillary because she is white, and presumably against Obama because he is not.

It's disturbing that the very idea that racism is hurting Obama is scoffed at here.

by amiches on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 05:57:08 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (2.00 / 5)

Of course racism hurts Obama, just as sexism hurts Hillary. What is scoffed at is the idea that Hillary Clinton is running a racist campaign.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:03:16 PM EST
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Yeah right, and its not racism when all the black people vote for Obama? Geez!

democrat voter

by democrat voter on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:05:06 PM EST
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At work and can only glance at this article, so help me out here. One in five also said gender was an issue...Clinton getting six votes out of 10. Math was never my strong suit...what percentage of Ohio voters are sexist?

Also...were black voters asked if race was an issue to them and if so, who they voted for? I didn't see that when I glanced over it.

by Nobody on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 07:49:49 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (2.00 / 1)

NO we cant. Rasist means something and something specific. Using rasist in this way demeans the meaning of the word. Rasist is not someone who talks about race. Rasist means something specific and evil and frankly awful and come on this is not what is going on here. This is using race to attack someone you disagree with. This is not racism this is politics and we should not use race for political gain but for when we seen it and must raise up above it.

david

by giusd on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 10:40:02 PM EST
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I got warned here for saying (1.00 / 1)

susanhu was the new matt drudge - This place is hysterically pro-Clinton and any one who dares to disagree gets trashed. I have been trashed on the site regularly because I am an Obama supporter.
Does MyDD stand for my direct demagogue?

Listening comes first

by Moonwood on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 05:57:56 PM EST

Re: ONLY 1 Group (2.00 / 4)

Amiches,

I suggest you look within your idols fans before accusing people of racism.

9 out of 10 Black people are voting for Obama state after state.

It is the only Race or Ethnic group that is practicing the shut out voting.

Latinos are at 65-35 Clinton

White people are at 60-40 Clinton.

If White people voted for Clinton at 90% levels.

There would be two results.

1) Clinton would have been the nominee by Super Tuesday. It would not even close. It would be a landslide.

2) White people would be accused of RACISM.

So I suggest you re-evaluate your offensive accusation of racism.

There is ONLY ONE group of people right now who are VOTING ONE SIDED.

And it certainly is not coming from Clinton or her supporters.

THINK before you speak. THINK before your right.

by labanman on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 05:57:58 PM EST

Re: ONLY 1 Group (1.00 / 1)

Ah yes, the classic right-wing response: "You're the REAL racists!"

The exit polling from Ohio yesterday was clear. Of the 80% of voters who declared that race was "not a factor" in their decision, the candidates were 50%-50%. Of the 20%(20!) who said that race was "important" in their decision, the candidates were 60% Clinton, 40% Obama, which works out to about 12% of the Ohio vote going to Clinton because she is white.

That really puts all of these "coincidences" in a different light, doesn't it?

by amiches on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:02:59 PM EST
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Re: ONLY 1 Group (2.00 / 2)

Yes, and your complain is the CLASSIC

"Victim Race Card mentality".

90% of Blacks vote for Obama & you have the audacity to accuse any white democrat of racism.

PLEASE !

Save it. Obama has received MORE WHITE VOTES than Black votes inspite of blacks voting for one person.

Stop Whining! You are not going to get sympathy from anybody here.

Come November, You think Republicans will give you Affirmative Action when you whine about racism?

by labanman on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:07:12 PM EST
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Re: ONLY 1 Group (1.00 / 1)

Go back to Red State. Whining about the "race card" and affirmative action are pretty obvious clues you don't belong on a progressive blog.

by amiches on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:12:47 PM EST
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Re: ONLY 1 Group (2.00 / 1)

Okay, if you believe that there is a large percentage of people out there who won't vote for a black candidate then why should we nominate him? He'd surely lose the election with those kind of numbers.

No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!

by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 08:00:49 PM EST
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Re: ONLY 1 Group (2.00 / 2)

Just for the record, African-Americans are not in a position to cry racism or accuse any other group of racism in this 2008 primary.

When 89%-93% of all blacks are voting for a fellow black person in Barack Hussein Obama, you DO NOT HAVE the Moral Authority to be accusing anyone of racism.

P.S. Just to make it official.

Despite 9 out of 10 Blacks voting for Obama state after state, Obama has received MORE White votes than Black votes.

He would not be the frontrunner today if All these supposed "Racist" whites voted for him.

THINK First !

by labanman on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:03:13 PM EST
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Look race came into the room with Barack Obama. Its that simple. The racism is in the Obama camp after all. Look at the support he gets in the black community. Now thats racism at its finest. Look at all the black commentators supporting Obama, now that racism too. So this charge when after all Bill Clinton did more for the black community during his administration that ever before except for Johnson signing the civil rights bill. Get real here. Its Obama who is exploiting race. Simple. Reality, he is a black man all the blacks vote for him, thats where the real racism is.

democrat voter

by democrat voter on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:00:37 PM EST

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Oh, I think there is some racism being used.

It took several steps of editing to get Obama's face to look the way that it did in her ad. It's quite hard to explain this as an 'accident.' In any fashion.

Makes me angry, that Democrats would do shit like this to each other

by Cycloptichorn on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:08:32 PM EST

Re: Racist Campaign? (2.00 / 4)

It's getting harder and harder to justify voting for Obama in the general election, because of people like you.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:17:06 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (2.00 / 2)

Welcome to my world.

I'm currently contemplating three options in November:

1) Vote for Clinton (or Biden or any other qualified progressive candidate).

2) Vote for nobody

3) Vote for McCain (at least he's qualified).

by hwc on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:22:34 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (2.00 / 3)

You at least have the excuse of not being a Democrat. I still have to be a good boy.

What's truly amazing is that these people make up preposterous accusations of racism against Hillary at the same time they claim that she has no chance to win the nomination because of delegate math. They're not satisfied to try and win an election with bogus accusations of racism - they revel in making bogus accusations of racism even when they don't believe it matters to the election. This is who they are. I could not be more ashamed to reside in the same party as these people.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:30:14 PM EST
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I can deal with it. I've never harbored any illusions that the Democratic Party is completely up my alley, but I've always thought that there was a place for me to support Democratic candidates.

My wife is being torn apart by this. She is a yellow-dog Democrat. Unlike me, she's even voted for Democrats under indictment. She's never missed an election and never voted for anyone but a Democrat. She is so disgusted by the Party's sexism and charges of racism that she doesn't even know what to do.

by hwc on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:36:29 PM EST
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Wow, I can really identify with your wife. I finally got my husband to vote for Kerry in 2004 after being a long time Republican voter and he has said that he will not vote for Obama. He just can't get past the fact that he isn't qualified. I don't know what I'm going to do. The fact that I live in GA makes it somewhat easier. It's not like leaving it blank would make a whole lot of difference.

No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!

by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 08:06:16 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (none / 0)

What is your explanation for the darkening and widening of Obama in the Clinton ad?

by Piuma on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:37:44 PM EST
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I find it offensive to even demand an explanation in the first place.

You seriously are going to end up costing the party votes in November if you keep going down this road. I'm about ready to explode right now.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:45:31 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (none / 0)

Uh, why?

The picture was clearly manipulated to make him look blacker. You deny this but have neither evidence nor logic to back your argument up, only angry indignation and threats of voting for McCain. Weak.

The truth is that the image WAS manipulated and it was done intentionally. Now, did Hillary herself know about this? Probably not. But those in her campaign sure as hell did, and if you were honest you'd admit it instead of getting huffy.

by Cycloptichorn on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:50:43 PM EST
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I know that the explanation is not that Hillary Clinton is racist. Other than that, I have no interest in knowing what the "explanation" might be.

Look, I can't stop you from spreading around graphics accusing Hillary of racism, but I'm telling you not to be mystified when Hillary's supporters wind up abandoning Obama in droves. This is simply not a place you should be going.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:57:05 PM EST
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I could have made the exact same comments about the 'sexist' remarks that you and others threw around willy nilly here for weeks. But I won't.

You'll be seeing more of this in the weeks to come, and you'll say 'damn, this is so unfair!!@' And then you'll know how I and other Obama supporters felt about the BS NAFTA gig that Hillary took full advantage of, a gift from the heavily Conservative PM of Canada straight to her campaign, just in time for OH.

I think there's going to be some more talk about her tax returns as well. 'specially in light of the 5 million she 'loaned' her campaign. Yeah. I think we'll probably hear some about that. If I were Obama's camp, I'd talk about it... every day.

by Cycloptichorn on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 07:02:20 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (2.00 / 2)

Could you possibly link to some of my accusations of sexism? Kinda sounds like you might be making stuff up there.

Do whatever you like with tax returns, Kazakhstan, whatever floats your boat. It's politics. But winning an election by smearing a good person as racist is a very hard tactic to tolerate. You guys fling around the term "divisive" a lot but I wonder if you actually understand the meaning.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 07:07:47 PM EST
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Her campaign is using racist tactics. You have no good response to this allegation.

I think that we will use the tax return issue, thanks. And why not? She has no reason for not releasing it, other then the fact that she has something to hide inside it.

by Cycloptichorn on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 07:09:48 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (none / 0)

The problem is you are not answering the question. Clinton's campaign can sanction this type of picture manipulation without Hillary being a racist. They are the ones who have taken this campaign down a consequences be damned path. Either we say everything's cool or we, as Democrats, start saying to them both, pull back.

by Piuma on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 07:12:44 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (none / 0)

'people like me?'

What exactly do you mean by this?

And let's be frank, you are a hardcore Hillary supporter. You don't need anyone like me, or anyone else, to make you post idiotic comments like that.

by Cycloptichorn on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:27:40 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (2.00 / 4)

People like you who make false accusations of racism against the Clintons.

Tell me, if you believed that Hillary won the Democratic nomination by successfully portraying Obama as an America-hating Muslim, would you feel enthusiastic about supporting her in November?

Assuming your answer to that question is no, then you understand exactly how I feel about the prospect of Obama winning the nomination by successfully portraying the Clintons as racist.

Now, I understand that you actually believe the Clintons ARE racist, but please try to step into my shoes for a moment.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:32:42 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (none / 0)

We get sidetracked by words like racist. But I found it very sad to see a democrat respond to the 60 Minute muslim question the way Hillary did.

by Piuma on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:39:48 PM EST
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You mean when she said about 10 different ways that the smears weren't true, when she even compared them to the false smears against herself in explaining why she could relate, and a bunch of Obama supporters went ballistic trying to pretend that her only answer had been "as far as I know"? You're damn right that was sad.

"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman

by Steve M on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:46:52 PM EST
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That's a twisted explanation. She knows the backdrop of this is the email smear, and as someone who had had more than her share of smear and innuendo coupled with the fact that she had actually prayed alongside of Obama there was a clear way for her to answer this for the good of the party and a clear way for her to answer this as a candidate willing to do whatever necessary to win. She chose the latter. It was indefensible. There was no reason for her to leave open a door to doubt.

by Piuma on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 07:08:15 PM EST
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This has to be total fing bull shit. The first thing she said was of course not i dont believe this. That is the first thing she said. anyone who questions her comments is a BO smear artest. let not kid ourselfs there is nothing that HRC could have said that would be acceptalbe to the bo crowd.

they dont care about pricipled conducte they are only interested in twesting her comments to smear her. PLEASE, playing the race card not only helps HRC but it makes BO look like a whinner and chicken shit. Ouch the evil shrill, lying HRC says bad things about me so while i am crying would you vote for me. This didnt work for McGoveren, Dukakis, Mondale, of Kerry. BO should stop whinning and act like a man and not an empty suite. that is why he is getting clocked.

daivd

by giusd on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 11:12:04 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (1.00 / 1)

Well, I think that they are willing to use racist tactics in order to win; or that people in her campaign are willing to do so at the very least. I don't think they go around hating on non-whites all the time. Just when they need to, to win.

by Cycloptichorn on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:43:47 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (2.00 / 2)

Where did y'all find this one? I can't say that Obama supporters taking photos and purposely distorting them (and it looks obviously unnatural to the eye) is proof that Clinton does it.

by ejintx on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:20:48 PM EST
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The first one is the actual footage of the debate; the others show the steps necessary to manipulate the photo into what Hillary had in her commercial. The point is that it wasn't an accident.

by Cycloptichorn on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:28:20 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (none / 0)

Which commercial?

by ejintx on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:34:46 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (none / 0)

This one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l4_jMyV3 mY

by Cycloptichorn on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:44:03 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (2.00 / 2)

Like I said somewhere before, there's no shortage of revisioning in this primary.

by ejintx on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:12:17 PM EST

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OMG, you are sick and need help.

Do you really believe this stuff or do you find it acceptable to say anything to try to help? Obama?

BEfore this gets deleted and you blocked for repeating what you were warned on....and such horrible lies and accusations, you may want to look at the ad, just in case you looked at someones manipulated copy and you really don't know Hillary's ad.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/video/142. aspx

by LindaSFNM on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:15:25 PM EST

Re: Racist Campaign? (2.00 / 2)

I am not an Obama supporter, but I admire his refusal to whine about race. That is probably one major reason why many whites have supported him.

If he (or his surrogates) start whining about race, or how they have lost because of racial politics, then he is going to lose a lot of support. I could remind you that his supporter (Jesse Jackson Jr) started whinign about race the day after NH ("she does not cry for black people") well before anything you cite ("Jesse Jackson won S Carolina...twice). Luckily, Obama seemed to have muzzled him effectively.

If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi

by SevenStrings on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:24:50 PM EST

It's about time to use reverse race card. (2.00 / 3)

Obama camp used the famous reverse race card right after Nevada to win South Carolina.

Right after their defeat in OH, TX, and RI, we are hearing the same melody again.

Push this card please. I think this is one thing you guys can do best. Accuse every other racial groups who do not seem to be so enthusiastic about Obama as racist. Accuse Hillary for being racist. Try it again. Let's see if Obama camp can fool people twice.

by praxis1 on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 06:31:36 PM EST

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This diary and these accusations are lame and divisive. Take a hike1

by Fleaflicker on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 07:59:10 PM EST

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a hike!

by Fleaflicker on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 07:59:24 PM EST
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Re: Racist Campaign? (2.00 / 2)

Every time Obama hits a bump in the electoral road, his minions trump up some imaginary racial slur that the Clintons are allegedly touting, subliminaly or more overtly. Obama could stop this but he doesn't. He has chosen to run the most racist campaign in America since Strom Thurmond ran as a Dixiecrat in 1948. I can't speak for other Clinton supporters, but if Obama is the nominee, I assure you that this Pennsylvanian will cross over and vote for McCain --at least he's not a racist.

By the way, I've voted Democratic in every election since I was eligible to vote, starting in 1972. That's how offensive Obama and his supporters' use of racism has become.

by JoePittsburgh on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 08:10:58 PM EST

Cool (none / 0)

Do you have any response to the above evidence that footage was doctored in her ad?

By the way, something tells me that if you're seriously comparing Obama to Strom Thurmond, it's time you started voting (R) anyway. Keep fighting those culture wars, buddy.

by amiches on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 08:44:18 PM EST
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